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In his book "Notes on the miasms" Dr.P.S.Ortega claims that "for genuine harmony to reign between two persons, their relationship should be established on miasmatic coincidences, continuities or discontinuities".

He designates the miasms by numbers: 1 for psora, 2 for sycosis and 3 for syphilis.

Arguing that any relationship between people is realized tropism, he concludes, that it is logical that, "in the miasmatic realm, we are linked to those who correspond to us, and this correspondence will also be a function of miasmatic characteristics". He goes on saying that, "a psoric-sycotic-syphilitic subject (or 1-2-3) will, in theory, be perfectly complemented by another person represented miasmatically by the numbers 3-2-1, so that the characetristic modes of expression of the one can be fused with those of the other by virtue of continuity, of interlacting, within the overall need of analogy." A 1-2-3 subject merges perfectly with a 3-2-1 by fusion,the expression of their characetristic qualities forimng a sort of circle of complementarity and sucession whose outcome is a persistent harmonic movement.

Ortega proclaims the inevitability of a relationship between persons who have a facile and appropriate biological interconnection, and imagines each individual as a series of three links of which the first and last - being live elements - are ready to bind and adhere to others which are analogous. Thus, they pass through time and space seeking a ready and well-suited lodging withing the perpetual movement of life.

Being sceptical by myself - not about the approach in general but his opinion about when there is best compatibility - I would appreciate to hear other homeopath opinions about his perception.

Another point to discuss is his opinion that "while the best homeopathic treatment can attenuate the miasmatic burden, the mixture remains in the same form, in a more or less equivalent proportion. Only when the proportions are close to one another, then treatment can transform the second miasm into the dominant one and thus change the whole aspect of the patient."

This statement obviously includes the opinion that miasms aren't curable - contrary to other homeopath opinions.

What do you think, and what is your practical experience ?

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Any ideas and comments are welcome !!
i have to reread the book 1st,
peace wasalaman
Very interesting topic indeed.It can only be appreciated by those homeopaths who are deeply involved in study of Miasm.I can only think of a few names,and S.K.Banerjea whose 4 generations have been researching Miasm would be one of the few whose comments could shed light o this unique topic.
Miasm is very important in case of choosing indicative remedy.So as Dr.Rajan sankaran states in his book "The sensation in homoeopathy" that The attitude is usually indicative of the miasm.The miasm is the depth to which the feeling is experienced.corresponding to this depth will be the degree of desperation and this is reflected in the attitude of the patient.He als classified miasms in may types.jst go through his book .u wil get all infomation in detail.
These views are very close to Prafull Vijayaker's approach to miasm. He too considers miasms not as a cause but as three qualities of life or three lines of defenses which if get wrong direction, cause diseased condition. And if these lines of defenses or qualities are in their normal frame, then they represent a healthier individual with specific characteristics, depending upon the dominating miasm. To him, miasmatic compatibilities are important in individual's life and relations too.
I think this is not damaging to the soul of homoeopathy or theory of miasm if we explain the theory in a new way. Especially if the aim is to try to understand man and relations, to construct a healthier society. Rather it becomes interesting way to study temperaments in the perspective of miasms.
Even when i consider that miasmas just should be used for clinical aims...If I may i would like to add this video in acknowledgment to Dr. Proceso Sanchez Ortega.

Thank you all for your comments and the video, Guillermo !

Best regards,
Katja
Hi Katja

We have been asked to reply to your comment because the system we use (homoeopathic facial analysis called HFA) means the miasm of the person and their partner can be objectively diagnosed (where both parties are seen in the clinic).

Firstly our system has some fixed laws which only partially relate to Ortegas work.

1 - there are three primary miasms - psora, sycosis, syphilis
2 - each is a representation of a directional force or internal energy that is reflected in the patient
3 - one of these three miasms may be dominant in the patient or a combination of each - giving a total of seven groups
4 - psora is outward motion, sycosis is circular motion, syphilis is inward motion
5 - psora/sycosis is syco-psora, sycosis/syphilis is syco-syphilis, psora/syphilis is tubercular, all three miasms present in equal presentation is the cancer miasm
6 - as disease is an outcome of an out of balance response to stress we cannot define the miasm by a disease name
7 - Ortega uses numbers (and made reference to colours) - the HFA method uses colours
8 - psora is yellow, sycosis is red, syphilis is blue, the combination groups are orange (syco-psora), purple (syco-syphilis), green (tubercular) and brown (cancer)
9 - the directional force that the miasm creates will shape the facial structure (not the expression - expression is related to emotions, structure comes from internal force)
10 - every person is dominant in one of these seven groups
11 - the dominant miasm (colour group) remains for life (even where facial features mature the analysis shows the colour group is always the same)
12 - there are characteristic stress responses within each group that are different to the other groups
13 - where couples meet under times of stress they are more likely to choose a partner from a different colour group - that is one that has an opposite or at least different type of stress response to their own
14 - the opposite groupings are yellow/purple, red/green, orange/blue and these are frequently seen - brown is complementary to all other groups - it is slightly more common to see brown/brown couples than other same colour couples
15 - other common groups are brown/purple, brown/yellow, brown/blue, yellow/blue, yellow/green
16 - our clinical experience shows same colour couples in less than 10-20% of couples
17 - our clinics are in Australia and we see less orange dominant miasm than the other groups and where we do see orange patients we have rarely seen the partner so cannot give data that includes this group to the same degree.

Hope you find this information interesting.

Clinical information - www.vcch.org
Free online videos about this method www.soulandsurvival.org
Free online facial analysis tool www.soulandsurvival.com

Best wishes
Louise Barton
Victorian College of Classical Homoeopathy
Thanks for your very interesting comments, Louise ! It's fascinating that groupings in agreement with the complementary colors are frequently seen !
I wonder about p.13 and what choice couples make if they do not meet under times of stress ?
Thanks and best regards,
Katja
Hi Katja
A topic of this magnitude requires years of research so this is just some basic clinical observation. It would be interesting to study which groups pair up in a long term study.
Best wishes
Louise
Very interesting discussion must say. But thinking about miasmatic dominance when it comes to choosing any relationships including friendships may help I feel. Even it states why there are differences in opinions (sometimes severe) between parents and children due to miasmatic clashes we can say. I too agree that miasmatic dominance can be modified for the betterment of patient but the basic combination cannot be altered. It is fascinating if we see every relation in this regard and base our clinical findings. But as Louise says, it certainly requires years of research.

Dear Dr Deshpande

Thanks for your comment.  It is easy to focus on the fascinating study of humans through all aspects of homoeopathy including the HFA miasmatic project.   I hope we don't lose sight of what is most important about the miasmatic research undertaken by VCCH.  That is its clinical efficacy.  Remedies that work successfully and with the totality of symptoms can be more easily identified using facial structure.  Please see http://www.vcch.org/miasm.html

for further details.

Miasms as a concept were the foundation of Hahnemann's prescribing - why is this not the case now for many practitioners?  Why are there so many interpretations of Hahnemann's model?  The concept of miasms should make prescribing easier and give us a clear understanding of the disease process.  We are very happy to say that the HFA model of miasmatic prescribing achieves this end. 

Best wishes

Louise

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