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HWC Haiti Relief Mission Progress Report

January 12, 2010
An earthquake measuring 7.0 on the Richter scale struck 10 miles southwest of Port-au-Prince, the capital of Haiti, around 5 p.m.

March 1, 2010 - direct from Haiti to Gina

Today is February 27-28, 2010 ~ Milad un-Nabi – Holi Color Day and Chag Sameach  – Joyous Purim. HWC wishes blessings to those in observance this week the beginning of spring when things begin to grow.  Have a blessed time celebrating as a family, sharing sweets and decorating with multi colors and song. 

We are the world. . . a special message of love.

In the name of spiritual love for each other think of giving a special gift to those who are far away doing the good works for those in need in your name.

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Progress Report

Our team in Haiti is doing well. After one week, they have settled in and organized all the supplies. Each day they drive into the tent cities or to an orphanage to help the children. 

They are waiting for a water truck and need to get an internet connection. These are costly necessities.

Kaviraj plans to stay an extra month and must change his airline arrangements. May God lift him up, he has travelled so far and lugged heavy boxes miles and miles. 

We will send a new Western Union donation this week. Please ask your friends and family to help with this worthy mission. All of your gifts go directly to support them. None goes to administration. One hundred percent of your loving kindness goes to the good will mission and sends your heart's spirit higher and higher. 

Acknowledgement of Donations
Ingrid, her friends and clients in Canada have spent an extra $1,500 to purchase more supplies for the clinic, plus travel and hotel expenses. 

Want An Intensive Crash Course in Emergency Care?
This is a crash course in emergency care and keynote prescribing for Kati from France. If anyone else wants to pay their own way to Haiti, you would be grandly welcomed. There is enough place for you to stay.  Edouard is recovering from an upper respiratory illness. Ingrid is surveying what needs to be accomplished with the house. 

The Population of Haiti
Did you realize that over 50% of the population in Haiti
is under 21 years of age? They are one of the youngest populated countries on the planet. Now, there are 20,000 orphans from infants to 18 years old. Ingrid's intention. In time, the three-story house will be transformed into 'home' for 25 orphans with a homeopathic clinic, God willing. 

The schools are now closed due to holiday season. This means that the children are on their own outside all day. 

The Earthquake Aftershocks
Almost every day or night there are unexpected rumblings with tremblings of 4-5 on the Richter scale. This brings continued fear to the population. The building infrastructure is crumbling and weak. Kaviraj says these do not appear to be doing further damage to the house. They can expect the aftershocks for at least one year according to an updated scientific analysis by the U.S. Geological Survey. 

Water is Precious
The only safe drinking water is purchased bottled water. All other useable water must first be boiled, that includes for bathing and cooking. 

News media say the rainy season will not start for another month. But, this is only indicative of the major heavy rainstorms. The rains have started for an hour or two each day. 

Electricity and Power
Energy is intermittent. Municipal power comes for one or or so each day, and then turns off as suddenly as it comes on. Fortunately, they have the small generator. Even when they will get the water truck supply onto the roof, they do not know that the pump will be in working order. 

Heightened Epidemic Risks
A recent report says that Malaria will increase due to overcrowding in the tent cities, inadequate shelter and sanitation, overburdened medical facilities, and ruptured sewer systems. The clean up of the damaged areas is slow to non-existent. The stench from rotting bodies under the rubble fills the air. Improvised open-air rainwater baskets are good habitats for mosquitoes that carry disease. Reports indicate that insecticidal nets and distribution of drugs will be their answer. We must teach them about the homeopathic malarial remedies. So far, we have not heard reports of these epidemic diseases in the locations that have been visited by our team. 

The other potential risk diseases include typhoid, dysentery, measles, tuberculosis, influenza, dengue fever and other respiratory illnesses. 

The death toll now climbs to 300,000 and if contagious disease begins that number may go higher. Due to the aftershocks, people cannot go inside the fragile buildings and 700,000 are living outdoors in make-shift tents and tarps. 

You Should Be Proud
Our tiny little group with little resources has acted quickly. This rapid response team can help thousands of people. They can send out bottles of remedies to tent cities. Based on news this week, there has been delayed action in establishing tent cities and much needed medical assistance.

Resettlement Delayed 
This effort to resettle 1.2 million Haitians is not happening fast enough. Officials are sending people back to the damaged neighborhoods, where they have no water, shelter, or support systems.

Food Supplies
Thankfully, they are well stocked for basic foods of rice, pasta, dried fruits and nuts. Vegetables are readily available at the marketplaces.

Treating The Sick and Injured
How can you treat 600 people a day? Using keynote signatures. The team asks questions and those who respond get into a group to be administered their remedy selection. 

A wide variety of remedies are needed. Aconite, pulsatilla, lycopodium, argent-nit, nitricum-acid, sepia, natrum mur, sulphur, thuja and many more. 

The Population and History of Haiti
Did you realize that over 50% of the population in Haiti
is under 21 years of age? They are one of the youngest populated countries on the planet.

Soldiers Everywhere
Kaviraj was perturbed by the hundreds of soldiers who do
not seem to be doing anything to lend a hand. They are there, supposedly to maintain order, and to prevent riots and violence. However, Kaviraj mentioned that everything is peaceful. He explained that the people are submissive in nature. 

Recent Independence of Haiti
Their nation developed from a history of slavery, and Haiti only became an independent free state 1804 when Britain fought France under Napoleon Bonaparte’s regime. Then in 1957, a new dictator, François 'Papa Doc' Duvalier was elected as President in Haiti and ruled until his death in 1971. Papa Doc even used a torture chamber constructed in the basement of his palace in Port au Prince to watch people suffer and established his own secret police force. After the death of Papa Doc, his son Baby Doc followed in his footsteps as a despot. 

There is No violence, Riots or Disorderly 
People the people of Haiti have been living in great poverty and persecution for many Now you can understand why Kavi says these people are very submissive in their behavior. They were not provided much of an education, the cities were poorly constructed, and the economy was in shambles. So, now they must rebuild from the very bottom up. 

Thanksgiving During These Festive Holidays
I personally want to send gratitude to those who have already contributed remedies and monetary donations.  I will be getting ready to send the HWC team a new Western Union soon. Please give now, so I can include your donation. 

HWC has not yet attained non-profit status. 
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and is not tax deductible.
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Help Establish A Homeopathic Clinic in Haiti. 
We need to reach our goal of $5000. 
Congratulations Jana Shiloh & Heidi Stevenson

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Debby just heard your audio version of Haiti report.Good to know that HWC with all the impediments are on the move in Haiti.Your report was extremely informative,and heartening.

Now that there will be a computer and a Video camera donated by Miro,as you reported,we will be able to get more news and videos from Haiti.

Wishing Kaviraj,Ingrid, and the other members of the team all the best,and a deep appreciation of you, the force behind HWC.

Will you be posting the audio on Twitter and Facebook?
Thank you Debby for giving HWC members an up to date situation of work being done by our great Kaviraj,and his team of Ingrid,Boursallan,and Kati.

Our heartfelt gratitude and prayers for their selfless work,and generosity.

May your effort to establish a HWC HOMEOPATHIC CLINIC become a reality,as the seeds have been sown and we wait to see it grow and bloom with help of stalwarts like Ingrid and Kaviraj ,followed by an orphanage which Ingrid wishes to establish,sooner than later.

May prayers,and effort from all and blessing of All Mighty it bears fruit soon. AMEN
Haiti Project
Saturday finally I got on the plane, after waiting till they were sure there was place for me. It took some convincing that I needed to be in Haiti, to do my work. The flight was short but adventurous – as usual. Before getting on the plane I made friends with an Haitian nurse and once on the plane I was able to swap places with the person sitting next to her and ended up sitting between two charming ladies. As everyone knows by now, I immediately began talking about homoeopathy and what I was planning to do in Haiti.
Across the isle was another woman – a typical Sepia – who was very interested to hear more about it. So I prescribed her the remedy, but was unable to give her any – I did not have it in my emergency envelope. The woman to the right of me was a typical Lycopodium, which I gave her. She was all excited before, but within 10 minutes of giving the remedy, she had calmed down a great deal. The woman on the left was very anxious and had a headache in the morning on waking up, left-sided. I gave her a dose of Lachesis and within 10 minutes her anxiety had gone as well.

Arrival was chaotic. Many men were unloading the luggage and it got all mixed up with the stuff from Miami University, who had sent 122 doctors to Haiti and whose luggage was loaded onto two trucks. I left mine on the platform under their care and went to find my driver, so he could come and load everything straight onto the pickup truck. I had to walk a long distance to get to the exit – from the outside – and did not find him. So I went back to the platform and discovered my suitcases and my laptop was mixed with their luggage as well. Although I found my suitcases, the laptop bag was nowhere to be seen.
Finally I gave up and we loaded most of the boxes on the pickup and went to Laboule, with the idea to return in the morning when it would be light again. Some boxes could not be found either, but they turned up the next day. We drove from the airport to Ingrid’s house, with two guys on the back, making sure we did not lose anything on the way. About halfway up the mountain some Haitian police stopped the car and wanted to see papers and wanted to know what was loaded on the back. So I told them I am a doctor and these are all medical supplies. I was actually surprised they did not want some bribe or any further inspection of the goods and let us go. By then it was already 10pm. and I was pretty tired.

Upon arrival I was told that the car would cost me $50, which I found exorbitant. I also had to pay for the help, which I did, although I never asked for the extra help. Working on s shoestring budget does not allow such expenses. So I told them that such was beyond our capacity to pay. Not that we were not willing but simply unable to fork out such sums every day. I was willing to pay for a few hours that we used the vehicle but not pay them for a whole day each time.

The house is a huge affair of three stories, with big rooms and all facilities, except water. Also, there is but insufficient cutlery, and everything was smelling mouldy and unused. I was assigned my room by Babie, who is a pleasant woman in her early forties and who is our cook, cleaner and washing woman. She does all the work in the house and comes every morning to ask what needs to be done.
The next day, no laptop bag either, although I was assured it had been brought along. Somehow or other it got mislaid. Pretty inconvenient, to say the least, because it contains all my patient files of the last couple of months. They promised me to keep an eye out for it and I returned a few times to see if it had been found, each time to be told they would contact me as soon as it turns up. To date, no word from the Miami University crew about my laptop bag. Inside there is my iPod, my ticket home and the organic seeds and some other small packages I received from those who donated supplies.

Meanwhile I had started organizing all the remedies and first aid kits. There were many boxes with mixed remedies and the bottles had to be sorted alphabetically, to make finding everything easier. It gets too time-consuming to have to go through everything each time so organizing everything properly is always a first priority.

There is little damage in the city center, where few buildings have collapsed. However, in other areas the damage is much more extensive and several large buildings have been completely destroyed. Everywhere where buildings have collapsed the smell of death is palpable and the people are staying outside in makeshift tents, made of tarps and sheets of corrugated iron. The city is filthy and the people seem not to care about cleaning up. They also lack the equi[pment and the millions that have been donated seem to be used for other things than life’s necessities. If we consider that the head-honcho of the Red Cross gets a 6 figure salary of over half a million, then it is at once obvious that help for the Haitian people is not a priority at all.
Also, the military and the UN are everywhere, sitting on their lazy behinds and doing absolutely nothing to help the devastated population. At the airport for instance, soldiers and military equipment are ubiquitous, while all they do is drive around the city in their humvees and projecting power, with guns at the ready in their laps. The same with the UN personnel, who seem to be not here to help the people, but simply maintain the puppet government.
The president is but a figurehead, without any real say in how the country is run. The democratically elected president has been removed twice already and sent in exile to Africa, of all places. The people want him back but the US presence here prevents his return. One wonders how the guns are going to help the people and remove all the rubble.
Traffic is chaotic as well and the infrastructure of electricity and roads is a shambles. The telephone services have been restored and mobile phones are practically speaking the only means of communication. There are some internet providers, but these are all on contract and the prices are exorbitant. Imagine one has to pay US$150, just for the connection, on top of which there is $350 rental for the modem and $120 a month to enable a download and upload speed of but 512 Kbps, with a maximum of 200MB per day!

Wednesday I spent further sorting through the massive amount of remedies available to us and getting the generator installed. The days are hot here and there is but little rain, notwithstanding the arrival of the monsoon. In the city there is but little dust and most of it is chalky, from crumbling concrete. Few buildings have been made to proper standards and reinforcement is generally for the upper stories. There are a lot of buildings of which only the ground floor had collapsed and the upper stories sit at awkward angles on top of a pile of rubble. Wednesday night I woke at 3 am and read a little in material medica, in anticipation of what we would face. At 4:15, a tremor shook the house and everything rattled for about 20 seconds.
On Thursday, Edouard and Kathy arrived, and due to driver coming much too late, I missed them. Arriving at the airport, the exit for the arrivals had also been moved and it took us at least half an hour to find it. Ingrid had given Edouard also the wrong telephone number and so they ended up in a dump of a “house” in the middle of Petionville, which is about halfway to Laboule. On arriving back at the house I dismissed the driver and told him I was very dissatisfied with his service.
Ed had meanwhile sent an email through his iPhone to Ingrid, who then called me. Then I organized another driver who is the son of Nanie’s sister and drove back to Petionville, where we finally found Ed and Kathy, in that little dump of a house. We talked a bit and I returned home to Laboule. That night, I again woke at an unusual hour – half past midnight. At 1:20 another tremor shook the house, somewhat more forceful than the night before, followed by another minor tremor about 5 minutes later. Next morning I went again into town, with the idea to pick up Ed and Kathy, after I had another go at the Miami University camp for my laptop. I found both already at work treating the local people. We decided to return the next day and first give them the chance to dump their luggage at the house in Laboule.
The next day we returned to Petionville and continued the three of us with the treatment of the locals. That day we treated close to a 100 people, with a variety of problems, of which the trauma of the earthquake comprised a surprising minority. The resilience of these people is completely amazing and the way they have recovered from this traumatic experience is heartening. Their spirits remain as ever indomitable and unbroken.

The thing that struck me as peculiar was that few people told us they were afraid, If so, they were more afraid of after shocks than remaining fearful of the event itself. The problems were more those of the regular homoeopath than of anything to do with the quake.
The following day was Sunday already and we treated even more people. We started early – 8 am – and worked through till about 3:30, when we had taken care of about 120 people. The local people were very keen to have their problems finally attended to, since nobody had been in the area to treat them. Their were a few very interesting cases.
One woman saw a lot of people die, including her parents. She did not want to be consoled and in the evenings she sought solitude to cry. To alleviate her grief she ate a great deal, but was still losing flesh and not gaining any weight. She had also taken to drinking a lot, to drown her sorrows, forgetting that sorrows can swim.
Another case was connected more to the quake. This person had many scars from the quake and the clavicle gave constant pain from a piece of concrete, which was worse from coughing. She felt better inside and worse outside in the open air. Burns from the quake. The tongue was very yellow and loaded with a thick fur at the base. We initially gave Arnica, hoping to see her again but she never turned up again.
There was a case of a young woman, who was 24 weeks pregnant, but whose belly was actually very small for the development at 6 months. There was no heartbeat discernable from the baby and she had not noticed any movement for some time. She moreover presented with an umbilical hernia. She had also been bleeding at the 4th month as in a threatened abortion. The blood was moreover black, which is a sign of Secale where the blood looks like coffeegrounds. We decided to begin with a dose of Pulsatilla, as she was a typical specimen of that remedy. On the follow-up we were discussing if perhaps a dose of Secale would be indicated, since the rice from the local markets shows black points at the end of the grains, showing the rice is infected with the fungus. In times of scarcety, as in after the earthquake, people will be less inclined to sort out the grains, because there is at least a loss of 5-10% when they are sorted out.
This problem is also common in India, where I have treated many people with this problem. In South America I saw a similar problem with corn smut, which is used in homeopathy as Ustilago maydis. Smut is probably worse than Secale cornutum,in that it causes more symptoms and is different in that the abortion occurs in the 7th month. Secale aborts in the 3rd month and has less violent symptoms. Both fungi are dangerous to humans and are related to Lolium temulentum, a grass with large grains, which is the winter host for Secale. In times of famine people used to make bread with the grains of this grass and suffer the same fate as those eating grains infected with Secale cornutum. Clarke has an excellent description of the problem.

We also saw a case of syphilis, which was not mentioned initially, but only after we had prescribed Pulsatilla already, because she presented a typical representation of that remedy. The next day she came back and told us she had syphilis. We decided to let Puls work a few more days, after which we would give Mercury in low potency. I have a bottle of the 3X, which is an excellent potency in such cases. On the 28th she came in the afternoon and se sent her off with 12 doses of the 3X to be taken daily. We shall see how she is in a fortnight.
For that reason alone, I will have to change my ticket back to the UK and postpone it by about a month. We have to be able to follow up on the cases, to enable proper assessment of the progress of our cases.

Today, the 1st of March we were on the way to the airport, to see a bunch of clients. The driver, who claimed top be a priest, demanded more money for petrol. He claimed the gauge of the tank was not working and when I pointed out it was moving while driving, he began to say we were not of his church. Such sectarian views are not according to the teachings of their own books and lying about things is even worse.

So we got out and went back up to Petionville by tap-tap, the local equivalent of the bus, where Ingrid went to organise internet access. Ed, Kathy and myself went to our usual spot and worked there till we ran out of people to treat, after which we went back up to Laboule again by tap-tap. These are basically puckup trucks converted with a roof and wooden banks along the side of the loading space. Always overloaded, they creep up the rather steep inclines that form the roads, which are pothole junctions. The traffic reminds me much of India with the same chaotic quality and the same race to the next traffic light. The cars are of the same quality too, belching huge clouds of black smoke. There is great contrast
Kaviraj posted:"They also lack the equi[pment and the millions that have been donated seem to be used for other things than life’s necessities. If we consider that the head-honcho of the Red Cross gets a 6 figure salary of over half a million, then it is at once obvious that help for the Haitian people is not a priority at all."
My reply: ah yes,As I mentioned before in all my post,THE REDCROSS is corrupt! There is the proof once again-Thanks for posting that! And thank you for a updates,we at HWC are all worried about you,Great efforts need to be made when one signs up for these volunteer homeopathic trips,thats why I have always said "That there are only a handfull of homeopathic practicioners" who do this type of work!
You need nerves of steel,patients,endurance,and know how to roll with the punches! Its not a trip for the illwilled!
All the best Kaviraj-
The Phosphorus type should be doing well here. Freckles are after all the rusty ends of steel nerves. LOL.
They have the empathy and sympathy and once dedicated can do a lot. Cathy is such a Phos type - always drinking ice water and full of dedication to homoeopathy. A pity they could only stay a week.
Kaviraj - Are you speaking of Cathy, Edouard's student from France?
Yes I am. She is such a great student. We sat in the evenings and talked homoeopathy till 1 am in the morning. We need homoeopathy students like that by the thousands! Such a pleasure to pass on one's knowledge to such deserving students.
Kaviraj the great;
just read your report on Haiti.You are doing a great service to humanity;

It would be interesting to read about the follw ups,that is if you can stay on;

Keep in touch on "CHAT" on HWC and on my personal CHAT,Yahoo messenger.

Take care
Haiti, the follow-ups

The follow-ups are amazing. Yesterday was at the children’s place again. After the initial Aconite and Stramonium, all the chronic problems have come out. Many are Natrum muriaticum, suffering from grief. The place takes care of 300 children who have not seen a single doctor since the quake. That is a good thing too, because I have seen many children who have been given vaccines and who are nearly all suffering the side effects – encephalitis, that calls for Belladonna. Several mothers who were pregnant a few weeks to six months have dead ba-bies in the belly from the flue shot and do not abort.
Among those children the main types are Lycopodium – waking up sad in the morning and lost appetite – and Natrum muriaticum, suffering from grief over lost family members – mothers, fathers, and siblings. Also I saw many who have broken limbs that have not been set properly and they have continued their work, with the result that some feet are now crooked and some arms can no longer be twisted and one can see the bones sitting under awkward angles. They should actually be broken again to properly set them.

The children are however also resilient. I see a lot of eye problems from the dust, as well as many skin problems from the same cause. Many children have sores on the head that do not heal, for which Sulphur and Silicea are the indi-cated remedies. One man’s leg had gone purple and here Hamamelis did won-ders – I suspected it to be thrombosis, where the blood clots in the arteries. Many have belly aches – anxiety driven – and are very gassy. They are the ones that need Lycopodium.
To see the remedies make such great differences to their lives is really heartening and I thrive on such work. There is however not enough real food – people eat a lot of rice and meat, such as chicken and the cases of anemia are aplenty too, especially among the children. My advice is to eat more green vege-tables and less meat – life comes from life, after all and not from dead corpses. Ferrum phos is doing wonders here too.

I have developed a schedule of rotation between 3 different places so I see them every 3 days and although many recover nicely, the trauma is so deep, one has to repeat the remedies more often, to have a proper impact. Some cases seem to be complicated but these are simple people and the constitutional rem-edy comes up after the initial dose of the acute. However, the deep nature of the trauma demands high potencies and more frequent repetition, to have the de-sired impact. Some people can hardly believe that a single dose can do anything and so I give sac lac in small envelopes to take home.
Most are amazed at how well they feel though after 20 minutes to ½ an hour and come back to say they feel better already. Several have calmed down so much, they come every day with happy faces after a single dose and want to help. It is amazing how they set up a place for the doctor and leave it for me, al-lowing nobody access to it. So I can return to the exact same place, where they have put up a table, and give me the most comfortable chair available. In the morning when I arrive at 7-7:30, they are already waiting and shake hands, with happy faces to see I am back. There are also some children that come and want to sit with me, throwing their arms around my neck and not wanting to leave.

The central market in Petionville has completely collapsed and is a heap of rubble and twisted iron. As a result, the market is now on the street and traffic can hardly get through. The merchants would be inside the building before and are now forced to occupy the pavement, resulting in traffic jams because people use the roads to walk. It is chaotic and everywhere there are plies of rubble from collapsed buildings, which now, almost 2 months after the quake, are still in the same place. Nothing is being done to remove them and a few places only have some people working on huge piles, where the stench of dead bodies still fills the air. The tent-cities are everywhere where there is open space and that is where people have to live – bed after bed sit next to each other and privacy is non-existent.
There are tarps from USAID that have been spanned over makeshift wooden frames and when it rains – which it did yesterday almost all night – they leak and sometimes collapse under the weight of the water. People’s meager possessions are ruined and they have to sleep under wet sheets, causing more health problems. It is more than difficult to keep up with such problems and we would need about 100 homoeopaths to at least be able to do the necessary just so that there are no increases in disease. It is a race against the clock and the 3 places I visit can be kept reasonably healthy that way.

If American Airlines would have only allowed me to change my ticket, I would have stayed longer to be able to follow up more. Tickets of less than 3 months cannot be extended I have been told, so I have to go back to Miami on the 8th of this month to take my flight back to London. In May I may have the time to return, but that would be for only a week or 2 and that is too short. To really have a greater impact one would have to stay 3 months at least and commit-ments elsewhere do not allow me to stay that long. I am booked full for the next 18 months and cannot change those commitments.

I saw a man wearing a T-shirt with the following text: “We survived the cy-clones and the quake. Will we survive the developers?” And yes, the “develop-ers” such as the UN and private companies are snapping up land to “develop” for the rich and the tourists, which at some point will return. The big businesses such as Starbucks, which take land for “development” of their business plans – exploit the Haitians for a pittance, growing coffee and rice, fruits and other things for the Western market, while paying no more than US1.75 a DAY, for those that are so “lucky” to get a job with them. That amounts to 50 Gourdes – the local currency – per day, while taking the tap-tap – the local transport – will cost them 30 Gourdes a day. Consider that an apple costs 50 Gourdes, you can imagine the abject poverty these people will be reduced to. Slavery abolished? You live in Lala-land when you believe that!
Hi Kavi,
I see that you are leaving for Miami on March 8th to fly back to London??
Bless you for all your good work there in you see any evidence of seeds, good seeds getting to any of the peoples for community gardens? If we wanted to send some more where would we send them to?
And the BD preps did they arrive safely?
I hear tell that in some of the rural areas they are organizing for gardens and farms. Any news on that?
All Blessings and much Gratitude,
barbara and woody
Dear Kavi,

Thanks for all this wonderful news Kaviraj.

I have a few questions though:
Is it right then that you never got your laptop back?
Were you able to do any follow ups with the Syphilis woman before you left at all?
And were you able to use any PC remedies and get any followups with them? How did that go?


I never got my laptop back indeed. The Americans insisted they put it on the table in their camp, but nobody saw it. So they cannot do anything with it, because it is all password protected and in Haiti they do not have the programs to reinstall a new HDD - also unavailable there. No Mac in Haiti anywhere.

I did see the syphilis woman and she said she felt much better, but did not have herself checked again.

I did use some PC remedies, but was unsure about the results, because there is no info at all on the ingredients - i don't like working like that and abandoned their use.

Be well,


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