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Taking The Case - Observe the Appearance
In taking a plant's case, we must pay particular attention to its external
appearance, as we also do with humans. Of course you can try many things and
remedies, but it must be stated that remedies that work on living beings
possessing a clear nervous system and spending most of their energy affecting the nervous system, have little or no effect on plants, with a few exceptions.

From what I'm understanding the remedies in the plant family that can touch the most sensitive human at a deep level have little to no effect on plant life? Can you tell us about Belladonna and Nux vomica as two examples and describe the way they dramatically effect humans but not plants? Do you have an explanation?

For Example
While Belladonna has such effects? on nervous systems, it also produces symptoms
that do not even involve it and therefore is useful.

Nux vomica is almost entirely directed against the nervous system and thus has little or no effect on plants.

a few exceptions. Belladonna. produce symptoms that don't involve nervous system
nux vomica has little or no effect on plants.


Over the course of your discoveries with plants you have learned which homeopathic remedies are most active in healing the disease of vegetation and green plants. You've documented in your books all that you have learned and I know you want to share with our listening audience some information about those remedies that will not be useful in the garden, as well as those that will be helpful. In fact, please tell us the pointers to the different organ systems in their relationship to plants.

Disregard the remedies that address the nervous system because they will not be useful in plant life. Please explain why?

  • Those that have a good effect on the lungs are useful for leaf diseases and pests that
  • destroy leaf tissue. 
  • Those that affect the digestive system have good effects on plant metabolism. 
  • Those that affect the urinary system have good effects on the eliminative tissues of plants that reduce excess water. 
  • If they have a strong action on the male or female organs, they are useful in flowering and fruiting problems. That is where the anthropomorphism comes back into the picture. 
  • the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object.
  • Remedies effecting the lung. Phosphor, tuberculin, sanginaria, drosera relations to lungs in human
  • used in whooping cough.
  • phosphorus used in pneumonia
  • all these remedies have strong effect on lungs 
  • leaves are like the lungs
  • during the day exhale oxygen
  • during night exhale CO gases
  • in hospitals take flowers out of rooms at night

Plants in the Sick Room

sick person should have no plants at night they will take them out of the room.

DIGESTIVE system
takes nitrogen from air
nitrogen is more important than oxygen which is only 13%

carrots have problem if doesn't have enough sugars with roots

Roots are the plant's mouth and nutrients are transported up and down.
plants digestion
phloem and xylem of plant are their system to distribute nutrients
some distributed throughout whole stem
some on surface

trees - previous years growth hard and woody
only on outside and bark are nutriaents transported

urinary system transport enormous amount of water
up to 5000 liters per day evaporates into the air
that's how it gets rid of excess and toxins

remedies like cantharis for burns and urinary problems
everything goes red and begins to burn
leaves burn
no evaporation
plant leaves swell - as if obese
to restore excess liquid and same with

male and female organs
helpful with flowering and fruiting
plant has stamen and release pollen and
bees pollination and reproduction
when not enough pollen, flower small and puny
erectile problem
similar
we don't' give viagra
all these things guided by law of similars

Anthropomorphism
An anthropomorphic North Wind tries to strip a traveler of his cloak in Aesop's fable, The North Wind and the Sun. Anthropomorphism is a term coined in the mid 1700s[1][2] to refer to any attribution of human characteristics (or characteristics assumed or believed by some to belong only to humans) to animals or non-living things, phenomena, material states and objects or abstract concepts. Examples include animals and plants and forces of nature such as winds, rain or the sun depicted as creatures with human motivations, and/or the abilities to reason and converse. The term derives from the combination of the Greek ἄνθρωπος (ánthrōpos), "human" and μορφή (morphē), "shape" or "form".


As a literary device, anthropomorphism is strongly associated with art and storytelling where it has ancient roots. Most cultures possess a long-standing fable tradition with anthropomorphised animals as characters that can stand as commonly recognised types of human behavior.

Kavi explains that anthropomorphism is looked down upon. its not like humans. systems are the same. something that works well is used all over nature. sexual and asexual reproductions. insects and most of animal world works in similar way and design. it is all showing the same system. when they say anthropomorphism turn it around. we are more a vegetation. it functions a slightly a different way. we have more control.

Plants may be pollinated by wind  
most of food plants except for grains are done by pollinators.
all we would have is grains
grass by wind
dandelion

humans are dependent upon the plants for food.
complete symbiosis. works to maintaint he balance within nature.
we are dependent upon plants for food
they are dependent upon bees and wind
works together to achieve goals
to sustain each other.
bee is dependent upon plants
mutual dependence is symbiosis

plants have "adaptive" immune systems that respond to stimuli such as insects and pathogens-- they secrete stress chemicals/hormones to fight off the
pest--- how does homeopathy effect this>
Treat the plant and treat the totality
may not be directly visible to eye, they are still there
external manifestation of the internal disease
taking external manifestion, have the totality of that is invisible.

because this is the case. We can know when we give a remedy. the external manifestations disappear, the internal goes back into balance
don't chase disease or the bug. wild goose chase
always miss
the disease is external manifestation of internal problem that needs to be back in balance
Why do these insects go to that plant. the complete dynamics have been effected.

Teach us more about the law of similars and how it is applied in treating sick plants.
NCH STATES: The homeopathic doctor chooses the proper remedy by following a special rule of nature called the Law of Similars. This law states "like cures like," or that a medicine can cure a sick person if it can cause similar sickness in a healthy person. For instance, if you peel an onion, your eyes burn, itch and water. You might also have a runny nose and begin to sneeze. If you had similar symptoms during a cold or allergy attack, such as a runny nose, watery eyes and sneezing, a homeopathic micro-dose of the remedy Allium cepa (red onion) would help your body heal itself.
The word "homeopathic" is derived from the Greek words homeos meaning "similar" and pathos meaning "disease" or "suffering." Thus, homeopathy means "to treat with a remedy that produces an effect similar to the disease or suffering."


We've been studying The Organon of Medicine written by the founder of homeopathy Samuel Hahnemann and he teaches us how to recognize and observe symptoms. But, a homeopath must also listen carefully to the words, emotions, and countenance of a patient. How does this work with plants?


No Questions. No Mental Symptoms
The difference is that there are no questions to ask, and of course no mental symptoms.

Observe External Appearance
Skin or dermas: Some plant states are similar in that their external symptoms resemble those in acute diseases in humans, such as the resemblance of rust to scarlet fever.

Insects Appear Similar to Bacterial Infection
Parasites such as the aphid have only a fleeting resemblance in that they are parasites. The flea, louse or crab-louse come closest to the aphid, which is called leaf-louse in Dutch and German.

only plant pathology reports.
in plant homeopathy have to have a soil report. tells nutrients, acidity, nematodes and parasites. From that know there are nematodes. acidity. excess of aluminum. similar problems as in humans.

neutralize the aluminum. to coutner act the effects
acidity of soil.
law of similars
similarity is there in 5 different.

  • like produces like
  • like attracts like
  • like imitates like
  • like cures like
  • like antidotes like


quintissence
where ever you look you will find
law of similars is everywhere in nature.

need similar type of soil. similar types of problems and protect each other.
for instance on acid soil, grow plants that likes acid

then start liming soil and increase alkalinity. do extra things
say to kid that doesn't like broccoli - he doesn't like

they probably don't get any produce unless in a greenhouse and get pollinators right
the right amount of light and the right hours. tropics 12 hours in night and 12 hours in day
put it on a schedule.

plant has a photo period. in spring days get longer. things bloom and grow
towards summer solstice,
when nights become longer, plant starts making fruit, my time has come, i have to make fruit.
during life of plant it has period of fruiting and decline

we are talking to each other.
some people say talk to your plants
there are no mental symptoms because we can't ask them
the secret life of plants
they know what energy you bring in the garden, help or destruction.

they have a mind, little possibility of expressing it
a baby can cry, but ask question where does it hurt
can't tell you, uses body to give indication
colic - draws up his legs. chamomile
just like baby - will show signs and symptoms


they don't have a nervous system like we have
experiments at university. if you put pests that started eating, it will produce chemical through its pours and waft in air and other plants will also produce - communication through plants through chemicals and pheromones, see during pollinations and flowering. others start to flower. they have different schedules in flowering

smell of flowers
companion plant will have these chemicals exuding to keep pests away
each plant has its own smell. like roses.

pheromones are the most important things to regulate its defences

pears. one begins to flower and other comes a bit later
in flowering there are different stages.
stage when pollen is more abundant and stage when that diminishes
stamen and ovaries come
flower at different time
one produce pollen and the other the ovum to be fertilized
plant doesn't put out flowers at the same time
in different stages. influence each others fruit
may be more male or more female
characteristics one is more produces

phytoalexins
allolochemicals exuded by the roots
companion plants grow together to suppress the weeds around it
so they won't get suffocated

chemicals and pheromones happen above and below ground

exude to help give extra phosphor
phosphor in humans produces pryopism and nymphomania

needs extra phosphorus.
has to have this tremendous energy burst sustainable through phosphor
a burned
similarity some aspects very close

by watching how nature is going about. learn how to apply in humans
behavior is similar
plant can't run about. through the actions of plant as a whole.
can see what is needed and what is happening
clear in producing

plants that help each other
one exude a chemical that will stimulate bacteria and process and nutrients
through fungi and symbiosis

as much symbiosis associated with roots. hyphae penetrating roots to feed the root
bacteria around it live in symbiosis with fungus comes in an attenuated diluted form that has been process

takes up like a colloid. suspended in the water in minute doses.

Similarity to a Clinical Exam Searching for Etiology of Disease
We really have nothing similar, other than pathology reports from plant pathologists, which some homoeopaths who are schooled in orthodox medicine sometimes demand for humans.

Further Discussion of Anthropomorphic Explanations To Plant Life
The idea that anthropomorphic observations are relevant, is only superficially so. We must take the plant as it is, in its own unique way.

This means that we have to take into consideration the five main stays of plant life.
1.the soil,
2.the weather,
3.the climate and
4.their food in the larger context, but also
5.the plant family, which I consider their constitution.

Please Explain What is the Constitution?
Constitution is defined as the structure, composition, physical make up or nature of something, comprising inherited qualities modified by the environment. Temperament means a peculiar or distinguishing mental or physical character determined by relative proportion of humors according to the medieval physiology. It means characteristic or habitual inclination or mode of emotional response. source


What about constitution?
Examples:
The Cucurbitae have different problems from the Leguminosae and the
Graminae have different problems again, while all may suffer some similar
problems.


A Common Pest Susceptible to Many Plants
The aphid is shared with nearly all cultivated and wild plant constitutions,
just as scarlet fever is shared by nearly all the human constitutions. The
sequel to aphid infestation are often different for each plant constitution.


Definition of Sequela
A sequela, (pronounced /sɨˈkwiːlə/, plural sequelæ) is a pathological condition resulting from a disease, injury, or other trauma. Chronic kidney disease, for example, is sometimes a sequela of diabetes, and neck pain is a common sequela of whiplash or other trauma to the cervical vertebrae. Post-traumatic stress disorder may be a psychological sequela of rape. Sequelae of traumatic brain injury include headache and dizziness, anxiety, apathy, depression, aggression, cognitive impairments, personality changes, mania, psychosis. Typically, a sequela is a chronic condition that is a complication of an acute condition that begins during the acute condition. This is in contrast to a late effect.

Some conditions may be diagnosed retrospectively from their sequelae. An example is pleurisy. Other examples of sequelae include those following neurological injury; including aphasia, ataxia, hemi- and quadriplegia, and any number of other changes that may be caused by neurological trauma. Note that these pathologies can be related to both physical and chemical traumas, as both can cause lingering neuron damage.

Parasites As The Carriers of Disease
Just as some parasites in humans may carry disease, so does the aphid. In
grains, they are the vectors for Barley Yellow Dwarf Virus, while on the more
leafy plants they may assist in the development of Mosaic Virus. It has not yet
been investigated how different these two plant diseases really are and what the
differences consist of. To me, they are different manifestations of what I call
the plant miasms.

Vector (epidemiology), an organism, often an invertebrate arthropod, that transmits a pathogen from reservoir to host

anthractnose is disease of leafy plants
different from grains and leafy plants, solanacea. each has its own problems
characteristics in common.

what if a plant has brown spots?
if moist - rot
dry and goes brown - dry rot
I am rotting. do something
if edge and goes to center -- more fungal rot
if from center of leaf and veins and spreads outwards - nutrient problem

nutrient problem may look sick, but might crave nutrients foods
wise to take a soil sample - plastic pipe hammered into ground and lift it up
take the earth and send the sample to laboratory
tell what kind of imbalance. pH and find out investigation if plant likes that kind of soil.
give it a soil it likes.

otherwise, you can find out from out from lab report the missing nutrients
what is in excess
use homeopathic remedy to create a balance

for instance. if have acidit soil don't use pig and chicken manure to increase acid
use horse mannare which is alkaline

if alkaline soil. put layers of chicken and pig to make it neutral
neutral is best for plants

even in forests
if take away from food.
bring in heaps of horse manure and liming
grow plants

What about polluted water?

we all have polluted water. analyze will find pesticides, antibiotics, female hormones, psychiatric drug, viagra, retiling

a plant can take that up.
done so
to counter act that what is nature of contamination and choose a suitable rmedy to neutralize

a show on neutralize effects. an antidote.

effects only. same as contamination in water. too many fertilizers
polluted with human hormones taken up by plants
don't know how much influence or psychiatric drugs
viagra works on sexual organs
disturbances

clean up whole environment.
in the drinking water. too fine to be filtered out.
evaporates due to volatility and goes up and then down as rain
watch the symptoms produced to be

what comes down in to water supply used to normally water the plants
can afford. plants investigated for those types of things
plants take up medicinal substance

HUmans will eat it
that's why we must get away from pharmaceuticals
everyone will be poisoned and develop diseases without cures

the supply of substance is constant

chick peas - polio epidemic

the whole is more than the sum of the parts


Notes from Live Chat:
Dr Bruck: plants have "adaptive" immune systems that respond to stimuli such as insects and pathogens-- they secrete stress chemicals/hormones to fight off the
pest--- how does homeopathy effect this
Phytoalexins are biochemical compounds elicited by insults to plant systems. It seems that homeopathy would have an effect on these molecules ?!

Dr Basu: like antidotes like --- this is very true as I experienced this in my prescription. The most similar medicine produced severe agg.
Dr.Khuda baksh talks that it is protein.
Dr.N.C.Sukul is experimenting on plant saying it is water which is responsible
Dr.Khuda baksh talks that it is protein.

Viktor: Is homeopathic remedy differs for the same plants (fruits, vegetables or trees), which live/grow in different geographic areas?
What if the water is polluted in different ways?
then the pH Water would be the solution for smaller garden irrigation?

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Its important to have good food, its the input into our bodies is what results in depression to dseases 

About 22 years ago homeopathy helped the walnut tree in my  back yard do not die and stay alive, and  it  is  still there already 65 year old. Petroleum was the remedy for its situation. Homeopathy works for people, animals, trees, plants ... The discussion is very interesting.  In the past I was involved in bio-dynamic agriculture using homeopathy for different input. It is like learning to communicate. To me it is an incredible opportunity to grow our own organic food in our backyards. It is a therapy as well. I am glad to join the group. Thank you very much.

Seniya

Dear Seniya ~ WE appreciate your experience and contributions. Since you gave petroleum 22 years ago, can you explain why that remedy was chosen to save your dying walnut tree?

The homeopathic remedy given to the walnut tree was Petroleum 6C in the water. My brother had a car with leaking tank, parked near the tree , which brought  me to the idea of the homeopathic remedy. People around were skeptic but the walnut tree came back to life. Thanks to Homeopathy. 

Time : Plants Talk To Each Other To Warn Of Danger

The researchers analyzed leaves from exposed and unexposed plants and found that out of the 8,226 compounds identified, only one showed up more frequently in the exposed plants, a substance called HexVic. And indeed, when the researchers fed HexVic to cutworms, it knocked down their survival rate by 17%.

Looking for the source of this protective substance, the scientists fingered a chemical precursor to HexVic among the cocktail of volatiles released by the infested plants. When they wafted it over uninfested plants, the plants began to produce HexVic, suggesting that they were turning the volatile into the caterpillar-killing chemical. A series of other tests confirmed that idea: Uninfested plants don’t have this precursor lying around, and must build their own weapon from the early warning message released by their infested relatives.

It’s an elegant tale, and it may be happening in far more plant species than tomatoes and with far more chemical signals that are still unintelligible to us. For now though, it’s hard not to have at least a little more respect for a type of life that not only communicates but, in its own invisible way, looks after its kin.

Proceedings of the National Academy of Science

Intake and transformation to a glycoside of (Z)-3-hexenol from infested neighbors reveals a mode of plant odor reception and defense

Plants receive volatile compounds emitted by neighboring plants that are infested by herbivores, and consequently the receiver plants begin to defend against forthcoming herbivory. To date, how plants receive volatiles and, consequently, how they fortify their defenses, is largely unknown. We found that tomato plants absorbed the airborne green leaf alcohol (Z)-3-hexenol emitted by neighboring conspecific plants under attack by herbivores and subsequently converted the alcohol to a glycoside. The glycoside suppressed growth and survival rates of cutworms. The accumulation of glycoside in the receiver plants explained the defense acquired via “smelling” their neighbors. This study showed that the processing of a volatile compound is a mechanism of volatile reception in tomato plants.

Abstract

Plants receive volatile compounds emitted by neighboring plants that are infested by herbivores, and consequently the receiver plants begin to defend against forthcoming herbivory. However, to date, how plants receive volatiles and, consequently, how they fortify their defenses, is largely unknown. In this study, we found that undamaged tomato plants exposed to volatiles emitted by conspecifics infested with common cutworms (exposed plants) became more defensive against the larvae than those exposed to volatiles from uninfested conspecifics (control plants) in a constant airflow system under laboratory conditions. Comprehensive metabolite analyses showed that only the amount of (Z)-3-hexenylvicianoside (HexVic) was higher in exposed than control plants. This compound negatively affected the performance of common cutworms when added to an artificial diet. The aglycon of HexVic, (Z)-3-hexenol, was obtained from neighboring infested plants via the air. The amount of jasmonates (JAs) was not higher in exposed plants, and HexVic biosynthesis was independent of JA signaling. The use of (Z)-3-hexenol from neighboring damaged conspecifics for HexVic biosynthesis in exposed plants was also observed in an experimental field, indicating that (Z)-3-hexenol intake occurred even under fluctuating environmental conditions. Specific use of airborne (Z)-3-hexenol to form HexVic in undamaged tomato plants reveals a previously unidentified mechanism of plant defense.

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